Mann’s Twitter Mania is Embarrassing

The Cleveland Clinic defines “mania” as: “…an extremely unstable euphoric or irritable mood along with an excess activity or energy level, excessively rapid thought and speech, reckless behavior and feeling of invincibility.

We’ve seen the so-called “Trump Derangement Syndrome” exhibited by the left, apparently Mann’s manic tweeting suggests he’s suffering from could be called “Curry Derangement Syndrome.” How else can you explain the last few days of obsessively tweeting and retweeting from others about her?

Here’s a few examples.

Yes–this is Judith Curry:

and yes, this too:

Get help buddy.

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May 15, 2023 2:04 pm

Mikey doesn’t like anything.

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  Scissor
May 15, 2023 2:25 pm

Even himself. The amount of self-loathing it takes to be so afraid of admitting wrong is breath-taking.

Reply to  Scissor
May 15, 2023 5:33 pm

Mikey no likey.

Reply to  Scissor
May 15, 2023 11:15 pm

As a selp apponted co-founder of the discipline, Mikey doesn’t like anything that contradicts the high principles of Scientossoffy.

Not even Gaia herself has the authority to contradict the projections of Scientossoffy.

Reply to  Scissor
May 17, 2023 4:43 pm

Show of hands…..

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May 15, 2023 2:13 pm

The book A Disgrace to the Profession says it all. Steyn’s 2015 publication is about Mann and the damage he has done to science.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  universalaccessnz
May 16, 2023 4:38 am

Here are some other good books which show Mann for what he is:

Climategate by Brian Susskin

The Hockey Stick Illusion by A.W. Montford

Climategate: The CRUTape Letters by Steven Mosher and Thomas W. Fuller

The Delinquent Teenager by Donna Laframboise

Henry Pool
May 15, 2023 2:21 pm

Here is some homework. Unfortunately only for the real clever people
Let me know if I made a mistake….

(inline comment added by Anthony)

FROM ANTHONY: YES, YOU MADE A MISTAKE. I have told you time and again to stop spamming WUWT with off-topic comments pointing to your ramblings on your website. We are not here to be your personal traffic generator.

You’re banned – Anthony

Reply to  Henry Pool
May 15, 2023 2:35 pm

Your personal experiences recounted to explain GH effect don’t connect with someone with memories from New England winter. I remember and associate turning off the shower with cold and wet.

Reply to  KevinM
May 15, 2023 2:37 pm

I’m not saying anything’s wrong, I’m just saying you’re describing something in a way that may evoke a different reaction from someone from a different environment.

Reply to  Henry Pool
May 15, 2023 3:11 pm

Nice. This takes me right back to Organic Chemistry, second year. You have the IR graphs from CO2, methane, O2 and H2O.The peaks are the bottoms and the total absorption is the area below the top. H2O has way more absorption than CO2 on this graph–which would not take into account that water vapor is roughly 1 to 5% of the atmosphere, while CO2 is .042% currently. That’s at least 20 times as much. The CO2 might have a net warming effect by slowing the radiation of heat out from the Earth, but it would not be detectable against 20 times as much of a molecule that absorbs about 9 or 10 times more energy (my eyeball estimate).

William Howard
Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 15, 2023 5:56 pm

Not to mention that the vast majority of the .042 is naturally occurring and there isn’t much we can do about that – so we are being told to spend trillions and trillions of dollars to prevent Ron remove a minuscule amount of CO2 from the atmosphere as if that tiny amount somehow magically controls the atmosphere- defies all common sense

Tom Abbott
Reply to  William Howard
May 16, 2023 4:43 am

Well said. It does defy common sense.

So our leaders don’t have common sense, or they ignore common sense on purpose. Either way, it ends up being harmful to the rest of us.

We need to change our leaders.

Reply to  William Howard
May 16, 2023 6:55 am

Don’t forget that, from the Beer-Lambert Law, the absorption/concentration curve is logarithmic, meaning that each additional increment of CO2 is less effective than the precedent.

Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 16, 2023 1:59 pm

1/20 times 1/10 equals 0.5%.

Temperature tries to measure energy, by Kelvin on most science scales

0.5% times 300K equals 1.5K equals 1.5C

My numbers aren’t intended to support GHG theory, only to say that IF someone were worried about a few C change, THEN ladylifegrows’s numbers don’t really move the argument.

If anyone throws around numbers and science words with sufficient confidence, then the numbers and words can seem to have meaning to others with equal or less knowledge, or the numbers and words can seem to have meaning to others who would like to agree with the confident thesis.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Henry Pool
May 17, 2023 11:40 am

You’re banned – Anthony”

Smart move.

May 15, 2023 2:26 pm

Wow, still pushing the hockey stick he disgraced the Ivy League with. No Roman Warm period, the Medieval Warm period is highlighted in pink– a slight decline–How did it get its name?

As to “fringe”–WUWT used to be the world’s most viewed climate site, and still very high quality. Try to find it, or any other skeptic site in ANY search engine. Then try other polaried things like Donald Trump or election fraud, or Vaccines. Search two dozen pages in each search engine. Notice that there are really only about four pages and then they keep repeating.
Then comes the real kicker–try something innocent like “pancakes.” You are not going to get 112,769 results or anything like that. Same four pages followed by repeats.
So yeah, Truth tellers like Curry, or Jo Nova, or actual clinicians like Dr. Carrie Madej, or world-renowned people like Dr. Joseph Mercola–nope, can’t find them unless you already know who they are. The censors can call this “fringe,” but it is genocidal censorship.
Anybody know somebody who could design a real search engine from scratch? We need one.

Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 15, 2023 4:14 pm

Wow, still pushing the hockey stick”
Mann without his precious hockey stick graph is like a monkey without it’s banana.

John Oliver
Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 15, 2023 6:09 pm

Yes we really do need a better search engine maybe a crawler ? I don’t know . I have done many tests and encountered no results on really innocent stuff because it some how gets associated with a “ conservative” person or narrative. Example: I like boats and ships. I heard so does Tucker Carlson. I went on Google and asked what yachts does Tucker Carlson own.( and I know from personal contacts he does own some yachts.) If it is a liberal hollywood type their will be many pics of their yachts with a expose .For Tucker the Google search returns only unrelated MSM hate speech against Tucker. Most completely inaccurate or taken out of context.

Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 15, 2023 8:42 pm
Reply to  jeremyp99
May 16, 2023 12:30 am

If you look at Wiki’s entry on WUWT, you may well be horrified by what you see. Luckily the behind-the-scenes shenanigans are available for interested spectators to view, just so we can tell just how neutral that article actually is. By extension, the “climate denial” sections of Wiki brings its entire corpus into disrepute.

Examples: WUWT was moved from the category “Climate change skepticism and denial” to the category “Climate change denial” in 2020. In fact the entire category of “Climate change skepticism and denial” went out the window in that particular purge. If you search “Climate change skepticism” in Wiki the first returned entry is “Climate change denial.” I haven’t read that entry for a while, but when I last did, it was horrifyingly biased.
It appears that there is no longer such a thing as “climate change skepticism.” Any who question any aspect of “Teh Science” or any aspect of the increasingly deranged policies that are being inflicted on Western populations in the name of “Teh Science” are now cast out. Skepticism was once praiseworthy; now it is despised.

2021: “Singer is now stiff, so adjust tense” in the Wiki revision page for WUWT – comment and edit by one William M. Connelly. That comment is despicable.

All they want to do is win. They do not want to find out the truth.

old cocky
Reply to  Jit
May 16, 2023 1:31 am

one William M. Connelly.

His namesake, one William Connolly, is far more amusing.

Reply to  old cocky
May 16, 2023 2:18 am

My apologies – the Wiki editor’s name is spelt “Connolley”.

Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 16, 2023 2:37 am

I’m sorry, DuckDuckGo pulls in WUWT first, even by just “w”

Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 16, 2023 2:57 am

Try to find it, or any other skeptic site in ANY search engine.

Searching for “wuwt” gives me the first hit using both Google and Bing.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 16, 2023 5:00 am

“WUWT used to be the world’s most viewed climate site”

Not any longer?

Reply to  ladylifegrows
May 16, 2023 10:22 am
May 15, 2023 2:29 pm

I don’t understand why someone would attempt to argue using purposefully curated charts and adjusted analytical data. The only people capable of hearing the argument will be unable to not-see the purposeful curation and adjustments and ask “why?”.

Rud Istvan
May 15, 2023 2:37 pm

Charles, you have outdone yourself with this satiric post.

Judith is a respected acquaintance who kindly provided a foreword to my ebook Blowing Smoke. Mann sued Tim Ball, lost, and shirked payment. He sued Stein, and seven years later still tied up in DC SLAPP morass.


  1. Invented centered PCA, which reliably produces hockey sticks from pure red noise.
  2. Became famous by not producing emails and code from his UVA tenure.
  3. Became more famous by promoting strip bark bristlecone pines as reliable climate indicators (hint, the clue is in why they are strip barked).
  4. Became most famous in a 2016? congressional hearing also imcluding Judith Curry, where under sworn testimony questioning he said ‘I never called Judith Curry a ‘climate denier’. To which Judith replied, ‘ In your written testimony for this hearing, you just did. (Page 15, if I recall correctly). Anyone can find the amusing snippet on line at You Tube. I archived it on my main machine.
Rud Istvan
Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 15, 2023 2:43 pm

I went and got the exact You Tube coordinates for all WUWTers. Go to You Tube, and in the general search bar just type ‘Mann Curry denier’. It is still the first congressional testimony video snippet that comes up as of now—of course with rampant on line censorship as revealed by the Twitter Files, that might soon change after this comment gets discovered.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 16, 2023 4:54 am

I wonder how many FBI agents are scanning content at You Tube?

They are probably in all the social media companies, just like they were with Twitter, actively censoring things that didn’t follow the leftwing narrative.

The FBI and the “Justice” Department need serious reforming. They have been turned into tools for the Democrat Party to use to attack their political opponents. This is what dictatorships do.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2023 9:58 am

The CIA are who does most of the dirty work. Editorial control being a big part of psyops. They have been protecting globalist interests not the American people. They are not above taking out heads of state who threaten the status quo. Kennedy being an example for any leaders who might think of taking them on.

Curious George
Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 15, 2023 4:07 pm

Regarding Invention 1 (centered PCA), did he patent it?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Curious George
May 15, 2023 5:22 pm

Nope. I hold 13 US patents in four areas, several without co-inventors. You cannot patent something that can be proven not to work. If you somehow succeed, it will be invalidated after.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
May 15, 2023 7:41 pm

I can think of several federal agencies that should have their “patent” revoked!

Tom Halla
May 15, 2023 3:15 pm

After being reamed by McIntyre and McKittrick, the fact that Mann is still publishing shows the corruption of “climate science”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 16, 2023 4:59 am


Mann should have no support from the legitimate science community, after all that has taken place.

That he still has supporters just shows the corruption of climate science. It’s not about science.

Reply to  Tom Halla
May 16, 2023 8:47 am

Penn State supports him simply because he is a revenue generator. Same could be said of many other universities supporting pseudo-scientists in the fields of “climate change” and “climate change effects.” I might assert that practically nobody in those fields of interest in higher education research can be trusted. They are a scientific cargo cult, fueled by federal, NGO and private foundation money. Any honest scientist is soon either corrupted or excommunicated.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 16, 2023 9:10 am

Well, if professional sports worked the same way as “science” does these days, Lance Armstrong would still be pedaling away in the Tour de France! Sad, very sad….

Walter R. Hogle
May 15, 2023 3:24 pm

He bashes Judith Curry because she’s a powerful voice of reason that threatens their careers. They probably want her dead. It’s a good thing we don’t live in the Soviet Union.

Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
May 15, 2023 7:23 pm

It’s a good thing we don’t live in the Soviet Union.

Yet. They are working on fixing that problem.

Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
May 15, 2023 9:22 pm

He also hates women more educated than he.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Streetcred
May 15, 2023 10:37 pm

“He also hates women more educated than he.”
As that is pretty much the entire population of women, he must hate women. I’m guessing Greta is a notable exception….

Peter T.
May 15, 2023 3:39 pm

I was pre-blocked by Mann and Hayhoe on Twitter before I ever had a chance to laugh in their faces, Does anyone have their phone numbers? Love to leave a message.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Peter T.
May 16, 2023 5:02 am


That sounds serious! I’m not a Twitter user so am not familiar with being “pre-blocked”. How does that work?

David Wojick
May 15, 2023 3:40 pm

Gotta love it when he proclaims “Here is what the science says” and shows a ridiculous modeling result. No science there. Alarmism personified.

Reply to  David Wojick
May 15, 2023 8:44 pm

and quotes Wikipedia…

Tom Abbott
Reply to  David Wojick
May 16, 2023 5:06 am

He’s arrogant. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.

May 15, 2023 3:50 pm

Yippeeee!: A Mikey Mann bashing thread.

I’ll be back to read more comments. Yay!!!


Rich Davis
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
May 16, 2023 3:42 am

Researchers are switching from rats to climastrologers like Mann for medical research. Why? Because you don’t get as attached to them and there are some things a rat won’t do.

May 15, 2023 3:52 pm

Anger is a common response from ideological idiots. They don’t like being shown how stupid they are.

Interesting that Progressives appear to be incapable of acknowledging mistakes and learning from them. A main way that progress happens..

Tom Abbott
Reply to  gyan1
May 16, 2023 5:14 am

They are not progressives, they are radicals. They are not looking to make things better, they are looking to tear everything down. That’s what radicals do.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  gyan1
May 17, 2023 11:54 am

Interesting that Progressives appear to be incapable of acknowledging mistakes and learning from them.”

Well, Trump is also incapable of acknowledging mistakes. And yes, I voted for him.

May 15, 2023 4:11 pm

I always had a suspicion the Mann was a rather shallow, simplistic, pathetic individual and this now confirms it beyond any question.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mike
May 16, 2023 5:15 am

Yeah, Mann acts like his bastardized Hockey Stick hasn’t been refuted.

Chris Hanley
May 15, 2023 4:36 pm

Forcibly blocking thousands of years of human development based on an absurd model modeller-derived counterfactual is preposterous.

George T
May 15, 2023 4:42 pm

After the “hockey stick” stunt, astonishing he is even employable.

MIke McHenry
Reply to  George T
May 15, 2023 5:52 pm

Says a lot about academia

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MIke McHenry
May 16, 2023 5:16 am

Yes, it does. And nothing good.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 16, 2023 9:18 am

And they (meaning the powers that be) wonder why so many people don’t trust various scientific institutions, especially with regards to climate and medicine. It’s pretty darned hard to trust someone (or some entity) that has been proven to lie and obfuscate facts.

May 15, 2023 4:45 pm

Mickey Mann’s ONLY claim to fame is as an incompetent non-scientist, trying to cover up his fakery and incompetence by being a mouthy bully.

Hint Mickey.

ANYONE with an ounce of integrity or common-sense knows what a gormless, pustulent prat you are, and IS LAUGHING AT YOU.

Rich Davis
Reply to  bnice2000
May 15, 2023 5:31 pm

Far too nice, b

Mike Maguire
May 15, 2023 5:37 pm

“This is what the science says”
“There was a slow drifting down of temperatures as this interglacial warmth had peaked”

Actually, that’s what the junk science changed to after it was hijacked for the political agenda 3+ decades ago.

Below is what the authentic climate science stated BEFORE it was hijacked and it has never changed……even though mainstream science has gravitated towards the junk science.

Over 100 studies from the Medieval Warm Period, most of which show the planet was this warm or warmer 1,000 years ago. It was also this warm 2,000 years ago during the Roman Warm Period and also just over 3,000 years ago, during the Minoan Warm period.

Warmer yet in the higher latitudes of North America during the Holocene Climate Optimum from 9,000 to 5,000 years ago, when there was likely less Arctic Sea Ice.
Medieval Warm Period Project:

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Reply to  Mike Maguire
May 15, 2023 7:37 pm

The irony is, when confronted with what the science said, Mann didn’t like what the data said and created his own “method.”

Mike Maguire
Reply to  wadesworld242
May 16, 2023 4:00 am

He also used Skeptical Science as a source in n attempt to debunk Curry.

Hall of fame climate charlatan, John Cook that runs Skeptical Science, is one of the few people/sources that can bamboozle readers with convincing sounding junk science that
competes with Mann for doing the most damage to authentic climate science and real skeptical science in history.

Cook’s site should be called ANTI-Skeptical Science.
Or called Anti Authentic Science.

Tragically, in this discussion we are all doing what Mann does to Curry…..bashing somebody that disagrees with us. It’s very hard to resist for obvious reasons but still hypocritical.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Mike Maguire
May 16, 2023 5:12 am

I think the motto of that site is “skeptical of climate skeptics”- so I asked there if it’s OK to be skeptical of people who are skeptical of climate skeptics- and they warned me any more comments like that and I’d be blocked.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mike Maguire
May 16, 2023 5:27 am

No, it’s not hypocritical to bash Mann. His Bad Science has cost humanity TRILLIONS of dollars in unnecessary, wasteful spending trying to control CO2.

His pronouncements of climate doom have struck fear in the hearts of countless children, along with millions of adults.

His bastardization of the global temperature record has caused tremedous damage to humanity and it’s not over yet.

So Michael Mann and his Bad Science deserve criticism. He doesn’t get enough criticism for putting us in the postion we are in now. All based on the bogus climate history he promotes.

John McKeon
Reply to  wadesworld242
May 16, 2023 4:12 pm

Moved to proper post

Reply to  Mike Maguire
May 16, 2023 9:20 am

Are you denying the claim that temperatures have decreased since the end of the Holocene Optimum, or agreeing with it?

John McKeon
Reply to  Mike Maguire
May 16, 2023 4:14 pm

Mann cannot acknowledge the Medieval Warm Period in his science because his science predates the Neanderthal period ha ha

John Hultquist
May 15, 2023 6:00 pm

 Because M. Mann is one of the founders of the ClimateCult™ and National policy is to support CAGW, his University likely has benefited (and continues to do so) by grants and research contracts. This means some funds go directly to the university accounts, some for equipment and travel, some for salaries, and a lot to graduate assistants.
Someone currently employed in a university or sponsoring agency might provide the general outlines of funding projects, including the “overhead” applied to salaries. My recollections are from pre-1974.

Peta of Newark
May 15, 2023 6:30 pm


There is a word or name for that technique.
Where a boy who is repeatedly turned down or ignored by his ‘intended’ (because he is dull, boring and lacking GSOH) resorts to a barrage of insults.

The thinking being that she will submit to him simply in order to get the insults to stop. Appeasement in a nutshell.

And if *your* insults are not original, insulting or numerous enough, you call in all your friends to lay on some more.
i.e. You appeal to authority and consensus
Chances are they are all just as dull, boring and devoid of original thought as you are and their helping you means you might help them get laid at some future time.

Are we now understanding where all the babies have gone.
In The World Of Girls, being dull boring unoriginal and forgetful is insulting to them and precisely what will see you being ignored and counted out of the gene pool ##

Thus: Where do you even start to unravel the wrongness….. how did anyone think such a technique could ever work on a long term basis.
Worse: That the people claiming to be original, agile-minded and intelligent (they think their insults are ‘clever’) repeatedly demonstrate the exact opposite – as seen in M Mann
Its all wrong

And that describes Climate Science through and through.
It’s wrong wrong wrong and wrong

You gonna love this:

The Pope of all people – this particular pope being the very one most obsessed by Climate Change
how do you explain the connection when it’s his current and everyone else’s previous fear mongering about climate that helped stop the babies
Why are so many people now So Thick

John Oliver
Reply to  Peta of Newark
May 15, 2023 6:55 pm

Thanks Peta, the article you referenced is worth reading because it really highlights the hypocrisy and severe lack of critical thinking by this bunch ( of virtue signalers- literally!)

May 15, 2023 6:38 pm

Ahh Mikey, you King of SLAPP lawsuits, you not so wiley old fraud. How did that lawsuit against Dr Tim Ball go? Have you paid those court costs the judge ordered when you lost. Didn’t think so.

People just love Judith Curry, not so much you. Hope you don’t get over it.

May 15, 2023 7:16 pm

They accuse her of “climate denial.”
That sorta gives away the whole thing.
This is a religion.

Reply to  joel
May 15, 2023 8:05 pm

Yep, following the actual real science and real data…

…is “climate denial”,,.

… despite the fact that nothing we are said to “deny” is backed by any scientific evidence whatsoever.

Still no answer to the question…

“what is “denied” that they can provide solid reliable scientific evidence for ?”

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  joel
May 16, 2023 5:16 am

climate denial heresy

May 15, 2023 8:07 pm

Oh, Judith showed what Mann is a long time ago in front of a Congressional committee. A bald faced liar.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  rah
May 16, 2023 5:37 am

Lying in front of Congress.

Might as well, he does that to everybody else, too.

May 15, 2023 8:37 pm

What a nutter.

May 15, 2023 10:00 pm

It’s like this nut-zero climate changers. First will come the reality and collapse of your lunar prescriptions-
Green energy flag-bearer South Australia says gas must ‘stand behind’ renewable switch (
and then will follow the examination of your poxy proxies and interpretations. Anyone with a modicum of scientific technical and economic knowledge should get off now.

Reply to  observa
May 16, 2023 12:07 am

The article states that ‘renewables’ met 70% of South Australia’s energy needs last year. These people have no understanding of just how little energy wind and solar supply. South Australia has around 70% ‘installed capacity’ but the actual energy output averaged out over a year is pretty pathetic. They do not understand capacity factors or how seriously inefficient weather dependent forms of energy are. With NSW shutting down coal-fired power plants they will be hard pressed looking to us to utilise interconnectors. Just as well they only have a population of 1.8 million.

We had a death out here in Central West NSW last week as a direct result of a blackout. An elderly woman who had been managing her health issues well with technology that depended on electricity, died during that blackout due to equipment failure.

Michael Mann and his ilk are the ‘scientists’ being heard by global governments unfortunately. They speak the ‘agenda’ and it keeps the money flowing. It seems that more and more actual scientists are speaking out against the agenda in recent times. We need to support the likes of Judith Curry when they speak what we know to be truth. We need to be more vocal in speaking out against climate lies and propaganda.

Reply to  megs
May 16, 2023 1:27 am

The article states that ‘renewables’ met 70% of South Australia’s energy needs last year

Those percentages bandied around work like this. There have been times like an odd Sunday when renewables provide over 100% of SA demand and the media ooh and aah over it. What they’re ignoring is SA has a certain aggregate demand over time and those output percentages proffered reflect net generation given SA can dump max solar and wind on the NEM grid whilst it provides FF backup any time it’s required. Once the eastern States catch up with such system gaming the fallacy of composition becomes obvious. Why the State Labor Govt are making those rumblings about preserving local gas now.

It’s the same deal with California and beggar they neighbour green virtue signalling until your neighbours get to virtue signal likewise –
California duck curve now a canyon as grid load vanishes in the midday sun | RenewEconomy

Joe Gordon
May 15, 2023 10:54 pm

This is the tree-ring circus guy, right?

So surely he knows it’s all a fraud. He’s one of the ones who figured out how to sell it to Congress. Made a lot of them quite wealthy. Probably made himself wealthy, too.

I suppose if you don’t have a conscience, you don’t mind doing immeasurable harm to your fellow Americans if it makes you wealthy and has you hobnobbing with Congress.

May 16, 2023 2:05 am

Is the comedic website ‘skeptical science’, created by a professional cartoonist and dressed up like a scientific site, complete with fanatical, obsessive hit men patrolling its comments section with the brief to hysterically shout down any genuine inquiries, what Michael Mann considers ‘peer reviewed’ standard?

If so, evidently it’s founder, the professional cartoonist John Cook, no longer maintains it and has left it to rot on the vine.

As a complete climate newbie many years ago it was the first site I headed for as ‘skeptical science’ sounded, well, skeptical.

For just asking straightforward questions I was attacked mercilessly, like a steak dropped into a pool of ravenous piranha’s.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  HotScot
May 16, 2023 5:21 am

“As a complete climate newbie many years ago it was the first site I headed for as ‘skeptical science’ sounded, well, skeptical.”

Same for me- I posted the following comment elsewhere in this thread:

I think the motto of that site is “skeptical of climate skeptics”- so I asked there if it’s OK to be skeptical of people who are skeptical of climate skeptics- and they warned me any more comments like that and I’d be blocked.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 16, 2023 7:20 am

I visited WUWT after my experience expecting much the same reception but couldn’t have been more wrong. So many helpful people patiently explaining things to me with humour and good grace.

Tim Spence
May 16, 2023 2:40 am

Back then I wrote …

It was an icky dicky, tricky Mickey, cherry picky hockey stickey, that Mann gave to the IPCC

It doesnot add up
May 16, 2023 4:38 am

Story tip

It seems we missed this moan in the Observer (the Guardian on a Sunday)

Ben Pile did a twitter thread about it

As Corporal Jones (Dad’s Army) used to say

They don’t like it up ’em, the fuzzy wuzzies.

May 16, 2023 9:00 am

Dr. Mann criticizing another scientist! He has a poor memory.
Mann claimed to be a 2007 Nobel Peace Prize winner and a Nobel Laureate in a defamation lawsuit filed in US Federal court. Mann lied in US Federal Court when he twice claimed in his Complaint that he was a Nobel Laureate. Documents are filed in Federal Court under Rule 11 where the party filing the document must make a reasonable effort to make sure what is stated in the document is true (factual statements). 

10/24/2012 Complaint filed. Mann v. Competitive Enterprise Institute
Description: Defamation action brought by climate scientist against authors and publishers of articles about scientist’s work

From the Complaint:
“2. Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose research is focused on global warming. Along with other researchers, he was one of the first document steady rise in surface temperatures during the 20th century and the increase in measured temperatures in 1950s. As a result of this research, Dr. Mann and his colleagues were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

5. It is one thing to engage in discussion about debatable topic. It is quite another to attempt to discredit totally validated scientific research through professional and personal defamation of a Nobel Prize recipient…”

In Dec 2012, the IPCC sent out a memo to key people who participated in writing AR1, AR2, AR3, AR4 including Mann telling everyone it was incorrect to claim to be a winner. Months later, Mann’s attorneys filed a “correction” on the claims.

Mann continued to allow reporters and publishers to praise him as a 2007 Nobel Peace Prize winner. Mann is just one of hundreds of “climate scientists” who have made the claim. Worse, the IPCC still uses scientists who made the claim to write reports.

Gunga Din
May 16, 2023 9:50 am

(Recycling to help save the planet from Mann.)

Stopping by Yamal One Snowy Evening

What tree this is, I think I know.
It grew in Yamal some time ago.
Yamal 06 I’m placing here
In hopes a hockey stick will grow.

But McIntyre did think it queer
No tree, the stick did disappear!
Desperate measures I did take
To make that stick reappear.

There were some corings from a lake.
And other data I could bake.
I’ll tweak my model more until
Another hockey stick I’ll make!

I changed a line into a hill!
I can’t say how I was thrilled!
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill.
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Gunga Din
May 17, 2023 4:43 pm

Yamal was Briffa’s baby, not Mann’s.

Lee Riffee
May 16, 2023 9:58 am

This speaks volumes as to the degree that climate and related sciences have been bastardized by politics and money. You have a so-called scientist who goes after critics of his publications like a rabid dog; a scientist whose publications have already been de-bunked.

Now take a look at other sciences where money and politics aren’t much of a factor – physics, astronomy, paleontology, archaeology….The only money in those sciences is sought to continue to dig in the ground, look to the sky or build particle accelerators and other test equipment and make observations. There really are no split camps where scientists battle over findings, theories (or computer models). And most importantly, there isn’t a clique of scientists who try to drum out those in the profession who disagree with their findings and predictions. Yes, there are disagreements, like whether or not t-rex was a scavenger (rather than a predator) and how far into North America the Vikings made it. And theoretical things, like what happens to something that falls into a black hole….but no one files lawsuits, and no one stoops to name-calling and no one gets kicked off of internet sites and forums for having a differing idea.

And finally, scientists in those fields have very little reason to fudge data (well, OK, there was the infamous Piltdown Man, but that’s an outlier).

Sadly, climate science and medical science are the most corrupted branches of science these days. No wonder people don’t trust “the science” anymore!

May 17, 2023 4:36 pm

I check out “science” sites before I trust them.

Politically-skewed websites are not useful. They often misrepresent the facts to advance desired political narratives. Let’s look at the two most popular “go to” sites used by CAGW Alarmists:

1. Skeptical Science…aka SEPTICAL Science….run by a CARTOONIST, John Cook, who has NO science credentials and dresses like a KNOTSEE.…”I’m not a climatologist or a scientist but a self employed cartoonist” – John Cook, Skeptical Science..His claim to fame is that he keeps a journal and uses it to BLACKLIST prominent Climate REALISTS.

For those who are not familiar with the disgusting liar and fraud John Cook,
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2. DeSmogBlog…aka DeSmog BOG…..Jim Hoggan — owner of the Vancouver, Canada PR firm Hoggan & Associates….PR FIRM!!! HA, HA, REAL CLIMATE SCIENCE SOURCE….NOT!

Brendan DeMelle — Executive Director and Managing Editor. He is also a FREELANCE WRITER…FREELANCE because NOBODY WILL HIRE HIM!! He and I correspond, and I am signed up for his newsletter where he lists all the damage they are doing to the fossil fuel industry.

NO SCIENCE CREDENTIALS, but these two STOOGES constantly LIE about Climate Realists…and the site was Founded by a Convicted Money Launderer, John Lefebvre …look it up if you doubt me….

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