Junk Science Alert: Met Office Set to Ditch Actual Temperature Data in Favour of Model Predictions

From the Daily Sceptic

BY CHRIS MORRISON

The alternative climate reality that the U.K. Met Office seeks to occupy has moved a step nearer with news that a group of its top scientists has proposed adopting a radical new method of calculating climate change. The scientific method of calculating temperature trends over at least 30 years should be ditched, and replaced with 10 years of actual data merged with model projections for the next decade. The Met Office undoubtedly hopes that it can point to the passing of the 1.5°C ‘guard-rail’ in short order. This is junk science-on-stilts, and is undoubtedly driven by the desire to push the Net Zero collectivist agenda.

In a paper led by Professor Richard Betts, the Head of Climate Impacts at the Met Office, it is noted that the target of 1.5°C warming from pre-industrial levels is written into the 2016 Paris climate agreement and breaching it “will trigger questions on what needs to be done to meet the agreement’s goal”. Under current science-based understandings, the breaching of 1.5°C during anomalous warm spells of a month or two, as happened in 2016, 2017, 2019, 2020 and 2023, does not count. Even going above 1.5°C for a year in the next five years would not count. A new trend indicator is obviously needed. The Met Office proposes adding just 10 years’ past data to forecasts from a climate model programmed to produce temperature rises of up to 3.2°C during the next 80 years. By declaring an average 20-year temperature based around the current year, this ‘blend’ will provide ”an instantaneous indicator of current warming”.

It will do no such thing. In the supplementary notes to the paper, the authors disclose that they have used a computer model ‘pathway’, RCP4.5, that allows for a possible rise in temperatures of up to 3.2°C within 80 years. Given that global warming has barely risen by much more than 0.2°C over the last 25 years, this is a ludicrous stretch of the imagination. Declaring the threshold of 1.5°C, a political target set for politicians, has been passed based on these figures and using this highly politicised method would indicate that reality is rapidly departing from the Met Office station.

Using anomalous spikes in global temperature, invariably caused in the short-term by natural variations such as El Niño, is endemic throughout mainstream climate activism. ‘Joining the dots’ of individual bad weather events is now the go-to method to provoke alarm. So easily promoted and popular is the scare that an entire pseudoscience field has grown up using computer models to claim that individual weather events can be attributed to the actions of humans. ‘Weather’ and ‘climate’ have been deliberately confused. Climate trends have been shortened, and the weather somehow extended to suggest a group of individual events indicates a much longer term pattern. Meanwhile, the use of a 30-year trend dates back to the start of reliable temperature records from 1900, and was set almost 100 years ago by the International Meteorological Organisation. It is an arbitrary set period, but gives an accurate temperature trend record, smoothing out the inevitable, but distorting, anomalies.

By its latest actions, the Met Office demonstrates that the old-fashioned scientific way lacks suitability when Net Zero political work needs to be done. Trends can only be detected over time, leading to unwelcome delays in being able to point to an exact period when any threshold has been passed. Whilst accepting that an individual year of 1.5°C will not breach the Paris agreement so-called guard-rail, the Met Office claims that its instant indicator will “provide clarity” and will “reduce delays that would result from waiting until the end of the 20-year period”. The Met Office looks forward to the day when its new climate trend indicator comes with an IPCC ‘confidence’ or ‘high likelihood’ statement such as, “it is likely that the current global warming level has now reached (or exceeded) 1.5°C”. In subsequent years, this might become, “it is very likely that the current global warming level exceeded 1.5°C in year X”.

Why is this latest proposal from the state-funded Met Office junk science-on-stilts? A variety of reasons include that climate models have barely an accurate temperature forecast between them, despite 40 years of trying. Inputting opinions that the temperature of the Earth might rise by over 3°C in less than 80 years is hardly likely to improve their accuracy. There are also legitimate questions to be asked about the global temperature datasets that record past temperatures. Well-documented poor placing of measuring devices, unadjusted urban heat effects and frequent retrospective warming uplifts to the overall records do not inspire the greatest of confidence. At its HadCRUT5 global database, the Met Office has added around 30% extra warming over the last few years.

Chris Morrison is the Daily Sceptic’s Environment Editor.

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gyan1
December 23, 2023 10:22 pm

My favorite was Dessler saying that if observations differed from model output the observations must be wrong. That’s where they are heading.

Richard Page
Reply to  gyan1
December 24, 2023 6:14 am

Heading? I think we’ve been there for some years.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 11:02 am

There are many problems with real world data. There are gaps in the record, issues with equipment changes, macro and micro site changes. It’s a real mess. On the other hand, models suffer from none of these problems, therefore model data must be superior to real world data.

/sarc**2

TheFinalNail
Reply to  gyan1
December 24, 2023 6:00 pm

My favorite was Dessler saying that if observations differed from model output the observations must be wrong. 

Where and when did he say that, please?

Can you link to your source?

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 24, 2023 7:41 pm

I think it may have been on a twitter feed but not sure. It is, however, representative of some ‘scientists’ that have publicly said that observations may be wrong and a theory or model may be more accurate – check the internet, lots of examples. I think climate enthusiasts don’t like real world observations as they’re messy and don’t fall into neat little boxes like computer models do (I know several computer programmers that think along similar lines).

Bryan A
December 23, 2023 10:38 pm

Ditch Actual Measured Temperatures and rely on Model Temperatures…
DON’T LOOK UP!

AndyHce
Reply to  Bryan A
December 24, 2023 2:27 am

There was an article a few years ago, I think here, that Canada declared the last 100 years of temperature data unfit for purpose so model projections of the past 100 years were replacing the measured data in the official climate record. I haven’t seen an mention of that since. Has it happened?

DMacKenzie
Reply to  AndyHce
December 24, 2023 10:56 am

At one time, you could get historical temp records from across Canada since the given weather station was installed at weatherstats.ca/metrics/temperature.html. However “Environment Canada” was renamed “Environment and Climate Change Canada” presumably to emphasize their new woke attitude. Many of the stations did not show the universal warming claimed by the new “Climate Change” part of the department, so rather than continually fight with grumpy people armed with their own facts, EC found it expedient to find a reason to drop access to the old data and substitute data “homogenized” with the nearest Urban Heat Islands, and then during CoVid drop it altogether. So very 1984 ish.

Ed Reid
Reply to  Bryan A
December 24, 2023 5:16 am

Measured temperatures were ditched long ago in favor of “adjusted” and “infilled” temperatures, with the exception of the US CRN.

Bryan A
Reply to  Ed Reid
December 24, 2023 7:06 am

Very true

Richard Greene
Reply to  Ed Reid
December 24, 2023 2:05 pm

I would NEVER jump to the conclusion that USCRN is honest or accurate.

The integrity of the people who compile the numbers are just as important as the raw data.

It is puzzling that NOAA’s
NClimDiv is almost identical to their USCRN?

One has almost all land weather stations improperly sited, per analyses organized by this website

The other is allegedly 100% properly sited.

That either means siting does not matter, or NOAA can be trusted

Here is my scientific analysis:

NOAA is run by leftist government bureaucrats

Leftists can NEVER be trusted because they are pathological liars

Therefore NOAA’s USCRN should not be trusted.

Ed Reid, you should publicize your free Right Insight climate blog where you write many good, concise articles that often get on my blog’s daily recommended reading list.

The Right Insight – Scholarly News Commentary

sherro01
December 23, 2023 10:47 pm

Seize on this and build on it!
These Met Office people have conceded that their past, historic, instrumental temperature record is unfit for purpose.
It is so bad that it needs a change to something else.
If it is this bad, it is not fit for the purpose of claiming that global warming is real.
Policies like “net zero carbon” are built on sand, not upon the rock, is the logical inference.  Geoff S

Richard Greene
Reply to  sherro01
December 24, 2023 2:12 am

Missed the point Mr. Scientist

No matter how inaccurate the temperature numbers are, there was GLOBAL WARMING since 1975, not global cooling. Australia is only 1.5% of Earth’s surface, not 100%

Climate Howling predictions (of CAGW doom) only require a warming trend since 1975 as their “back up”. And they have that.

If the global average temperature statistic was perfectly accurate, and perhaps UAH is close, we would still be hearing predictions of CAGW climate doom.

The scary CAGW predictions are unrelated to historical average temperature trends, lab spectroscopy measurements of CO2, and even climate model (computer game) predictions for 70 years using RCP 4.5.

My point is predictions of global warming doom are not based on data. They are based on worst case assumptions and an unproven water vapor positive feedback with no limit theory. Without any data to support CAGW, the CAGW predictions are not science. Science requires data.

In addition, the CAGW predictions have been wrong since 1979.

The CAGW predictions are used to scare people and ramp up government powers, for which they have been effective propaganda.

Global warming from CO2 and other causes is real and is good news,

Warm is good
More CO2 is good
Cold is bad

Nut Zero is a waste of money

But if you are a leftist, Nut Zero is a strategy to control the private sector, which they love to do. And they don’t care what Nut Zero costs, or that it is infeasible or that few nations take CO2 emissions seriously.

Any society that thinks CO2, the staff of most life on our planet, is a pollutant, is a deranged anti-science society.

The Honest Climate Science and Energy Blog

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 7:12 am

Unfortunately if we switch to a hydrogen powered society any potential water vapor feedback induced by paltry warming will be indeterminate when compared to the massive quantity produced from a global population burning Hydrogen (which oxidizes into H2O)

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Bryan A
December 24, 2023 8:05 am

According to the recently revised (Dec 2023) IEA ‘Global Hydrogen Review 2023’ annual production of hydrogen could reach 38Mt by 2030 if all announced projects are realised.

However 17Mt of this total is in projects at an early stage of development and only 4% of the 38Mt has reached a final investment decision (FID) Of the 38Mt 27Mt is based on electrolysis and low emission electricity and 10Mt on fossil fuels and carbon capture utilisation and storage (CCUS)

Any switch to a hydrogen powered society is some long time off

Richard Greene
Reply to  Bryan A
December 24, 2023 2:11 pm

Forget hydrogen
Waste of money
Bad for gas pipelines

Forget fusion power
Coming in 10 years for the last 50 years

What we need is a perpetual motion machine to generate power

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 5:35 pm

Bring on the non working Orbo from Steorn…not

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 8:20 am

Oh c’mon – you claim the warming has kept on going since 1975 with ‘adjusted’ and blatantly falsified temperature records as your only points of reference? How can you be sure that we didn’t start cooling after the warming period? What if the hiatus of the early 2000’s was followed by a gradual cooling, how on earth would we ever tell from the outrageous farrago of lies that comprise the temperature datasets?
Can you point to one unbiased or uncorrupted point of reference to support your ‘warming since 1975’ premise? Just one.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 2:16 pm

I trust UAH

I trust my instincts that SE Michigan where I live has significantly warmer winters with a lot less snow than in the 1970s, especially the past two winters. We LOVE warming here.

Either there is warming or cooling
The average temperature rarely stays in a flat trend

There is definitely not cooling since 1975 except in your imagination.

That may all change next year or in 10 years or 100 years

But there is a lot less snow shoveling here in SE Michigan and that is all we care about.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 6:02 pm

I trust UAH

Yet apparently you don’t. Because UAH shows statistically significant warming.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 7:48 pm

I never at any point wrote that there was ‘cooling since 1975’ – you made this up; basically you lied about me, made up something I’ve never written and humiliated yourself on a public forum. You stupid, self-serving, lying idjit.

Steve Case
December 23, 2023 11:33 pm

Frequent ‘Adjustments’ to Past Temperatures by Met Office Cast Doubt on Global Warming 

________________________________________________________________

Same is true of GISTEMP. Two illustrations of that here and here.

So far this year GISTEMP has made 3,480 changes to their Land Ocean Temperature Index LOTI. By month that looks like this:

Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
365 236 345 248 238 384 371 251 380 369 293

These changes go on month after month year after year and result in the pattern illustrated in the two links above. The obvious bias cannot be denied.  

 

Richard Greene
Reply to  Steve Case
December 24, 2023 2:15 am

The past temperatures change so much it is just as hard to guess the past temperatures as it is to guess the future temperatures.

bnice2000
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 2:37 am

And remember, the past temperature set the baseline for the mythical 1.5C warming.

So the more they adjust them downwards, the closer we get to CLIMATE CATASTROPHE (lol) !

Richard Greene
Reply to  bnice2000
December 24, 2023 4:31 am

We ARE close to a climate catastrophe: It’s called leftism and their deranged Nut Zero

I predict the US 1930’s dust bowl will eventually be revised to the 1930s snow bowl

And recall I predicted in 1997 that the climate would get warmer, unless it got colder. And I was right.

Richard Greene
Reply to  bnice2000
December 24, 2023 2:25 pm

The past temperature basis is a VERY ROUGH estimate of the Northern Hemisphere average temperature in 1850 or 1880 that could be off +/- 0.5 degrees C. or MORE. No one knows

Charts at the link show locations of land weather stations in the old day. Not many of them outside US and Europe. Sea surface numbers are even worse.

The Honest Climate Science and Energy Blog: Sparse coverage of Earth’s land surface with land weather stations in the old days

This is Forrest Gump junk science

Bad historical statistics falsely claimed to have a +/- 0.1degree margin of error — could be 10 times larger

and wild guess data free predictions of global warming doom in 100 years, that have been wrong since 1979

That is a summary of the climate change movement. Their numbers resemble a bowel movement

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 3:23 am

You mean that can’t get precise past temperatures from tree rings and ice cores? They might do better studying the liver of a sheep.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 24, 2023 3:52 am

Temperatures based on ice cores have a solid physical basis, namely the O-16/O-18 kinetic isotope effect. Tree rings, on the other hand, have no such basis.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Graemethecat
December 24, 2023 4:11 am

but have they really proven that the results are accurate? and how accurate? are there any skeptics of the method? even if it’s good chemistry- won’t it give the temperature at that location, not the planet?

I don’t know- just asking questions. I remain a skeptic of all politics, religion, and even some supposed science. It just seems far fetched to think you can study ice cores and get accurate temperatures. There must be at least a few scientists who don’t agree?

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 24, 2023 5:18 am

You first need to assume that nothing ever affected the ice and that there is no movement of bubbles in the ice over thousands of years. I’m sure it’s been verified to show exact temperatures by M. Mann.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
December 24, 2023 6:26 am

And that would be only at that site- unless the chemistry is more about the amount of CO2 and which isotope which might be worldwide- but then you’d need to correlate that with worldwide temperature. I think I asked about this a year or so ago and got some links- which I looked at but didn’t really understand. I’ll have to try again.

Editor
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
December 24, 2023 11:55 am

The bubbles are absorbed into the ice at a certain pressure, ie, at a certain depth in the ice core there are no bubbles. This seems to prove that there is movement of CO2 within ice.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 24, 2023 8:47 am

The O16/O18 are accurate because they are calibrated with know correct proxies such as tree rings, pond pollen, coral growth from times before humans recorded such things, techy stuff like that.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  DMacKenzie
December 24, 2023 10:14 am

known correct proxies?

Bob B.
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 24, 2023 4:21 am

You can easily get the desired past temp from tree rings, just pick the right tree.

Richard Page
Reply to  Bob B.
December 24, 2023 4:54 am

I think I did but it wouldn’t answer when I asked nicely!

karlomonte
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 24, 2023 12:07 pm

Nor from air temperature thermometers.

Steve Case
Reply to  Steve Case
December 24, 2023 5:15 am

The LOTI link in my 11:33pm post above is wrong, should have been LOTI

strativarius
December 24, 2023 12:31 am

Bring back Michael Fish

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  strativarius
December 24, 2023 1:22 am

He was always more careful after one particular incident.

Philip Eden who wrote for the Daily Telegraph years ago was the last of the decent weathermen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Eden

strativarius
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
December 24, 2023 1:38 am

I liked Ian McCaskill – a jolly fellow

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
December 24, 2023 5:18 am

A local TV station in Tampa FL is calling their weathermen “climate specialists”.

scvblwxq
Reply to  Tom in Florida
December 24, 2023 7:08 am

30-year weather is called the “climate” now.

Redge
Reply to  strativarius
December 24, 2023 2:08 am

John Kettley is a weatherman…

strativarius
Reply to  Redge
December 24, 2023 2:13 am

Freelance…

Redge
Reply to  strativarius
December 24, 2023 3:12 am

He is now but,

John Kettley is a weatherman

A weatherman, a weatherman

John Kettley is a weatherman

And so is Michael Fish

And so is Billy Giles

And so is Ian McCaskill

And so is Wincey Willis

Sorry, it had to be done 😉

strativarius
Reply to  Redge
December 24, 2023 4:04 am

As it’s Christmas….

Richard Page
Reply to  strativarius
December 24, 2023 6:16 am

Good excuse as any! 😀

CampsieFellow
Reply to  Redge
December 24, 2023 9:04 am

Wincey Willis is a weatherman????

Richard Page
Reply to  CampsieFellow
December 24, 2023 11:38 am

Yes the first woman to become a weatherman, although that was before they went all PC and renamed them ‘weathercaster’s’.

Bigus Macus
December 24, 2023 12:53 am

I would trust the Old Farmer Almanac before I would their models.

Phillip Bratby
December 24, 2023 12:53 am

Professor Richard Betts is a second-rate scientist. Because of his climate alarmist views he was promoted way above his ability. He is also very much a hypocrite.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
December 24, 2023 4:18 am

Correction: third-rate.

Even a second-rate researcher would not come up with such a ludicrous idea.

bobpjones
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 24, 2023 5:16 am

May be better to rate him as a first class charlatan. Then he can claim, he’s been promoted.

Scissor
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
December 24, 2023 6:09 am

He led a group off us on a walking tour in and around the University of Exeter. I found it interesting and asked him a number of questions and he hardly had an answer for any of them, usually he said something like “good question.”

At the end of the tour, he had us gather in a circle and he began an almost religion like somber rant on climate change, environmental degradation, etc., and he had tears running down his face at the end. My impression is that he’s a sincerely nice guy but a nutter, a literal tree hugger.

DD More
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
December 24, 2023 6:26 pm

I Don’t Know?

“the target of 1.5°C warming from pre-industrial levels” So 359 AD would be considered “Pre-Industrial Times”. Spanish and Italian researchers recorded ratios of magnesium to calcite taken from skeletonized amoebas in marine sediments, an indicator of seawater temperatures, in the Sicily Channel. requests from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to assess the impact of historically warmer conditions between 1.5°C to 2°C warmer than today

So reset that baseline, we have 3.0 to 3.5 °C more to go.

The Met Office proposes adding just 10 years’ past data to forecasts from a climate model

But when the Met Office unveiled their latest update:[Even Newer Dynamics for General atmospheric modelling of the environment (ENDGame)] they mistakenly made this comment.

New Dynamics has served us well over more than a decade: not only have we continued to improve the skill of our large scale forecasts at the rate of 1 day lead time per decade (so for example today’s 3 day forecast is as accurate as the 2 day forecast was 10 years ago) but we have seen the introduction of a very high resolution (1-1/2 km) model over the UK which provides unprecedented levels of detail to our forecasters.

So at this rate they will be able to get a 7 day forecast just a accurate as todays 2 day forecast in only 40 more years and 3,660 years to get to 10 year forecasts. Now if they could just get an accurate 2 day forecast they might have something to sell.

Is this the same “Richard Betts”, who heads the Climate Impacts area of the UK Met Office, claims his areas of expertise as a climate modeler and was one of the lead authors of the IPCC’s 5th Assessment Report (WG2). Says –

“Everyone (Apart from a few who think that observations of a decade or three of small forcing can be extrapolated to indicate the response to long-term larger forcing with confidence) agrees that we can’t predict the long-term response of the climate to ongoing CO2 rise with great accuracy. It could be large, it could be small. We don’t know. The old-style energy balance models got us this far. We can’t be certain of large changes in future, but can’t rule them out either.”

So the Plan is based on “We Don’t Know.”

Peta of Newark
December 24, 2023 12:56 am

what is going on inside these people’s heads – they really are demented

strativarius
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 24, 2023 1:16 am

They’re on a mission….

Richard Page
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 24, 2023 1:53 am

They are going to save the world from the evil that has polluted it for years; nothing to do with climate change, they are socialist footsoldiers in a war to crush capitalism and the free market economy, installing a Socialist World Government over all of us. I wish it were just a bonkers conspiracy theory but I fear that that’s exactly what these people want. The only saving grace for us is that they were easily duped – they are mediocre minds who are, quite frankly, inept bungling idjits on the whole.

AndyHce
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 2:32 am

idjits with big guns

scvblwxq
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 7:13 am

Bloomberg estimates $200 trillion to stop warming by 2050.

The millionaires and billionaires are planning on getting a big chunk of that.

They are the ones who own the media, control the politicians with campaign contributions, and the researchers with their grants.

scvblwxq
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 24, 2023 7:09 am

Big-time money dreams.

Nick
December 24, 2023 12:59 am

I could have predicted this.

Richard Page
Reply to  Nick
December 24, 2023 1:59 am

We all could have predicted this if we weren’t used to thinking that they were well-meaning but politically biased professionals. I’m leaning more and more towards them working within a solely political agenda, not slightly biased but completely captured by, let’s face it, a socialist agenda.

scvblwxq
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 7:14 am

The rich people who own the media are the ones promoting the so-called “climate” agenda.

MarkW
Reply to  scvblwxq
December 24, 2023 11:16 am

It has nothing to do with politicians seeking more power?
It has nothing to do with scientists seeking to promote their own careers?
It’s always some rich guy somewhere.

Fraizer
Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2023 12:23 pm

That’s the wonderful thing about global warming climate change global boiling Weather Weirding. There’s something in it for everyone:

Governments need new taxes – Weather Weirding
Didn’t use proper forestry practices and have big fires – Weather Weirding
Raise Insurance Rates – Weather Weirding
Inflate the currency and cause price increases – Weather Weirding
Mediocre scientist and need to get published – Weather Weirding
Ask me about it’s link to cancer or if it kills puppies…

Coeur de Lion
December 24, 2023 1:17 am

‘Paris’ was 2.0degsC not 1.5. Where did 1.5 come from? Was it because reaching 2.0 was going to take a long time so we need to up the scare? What about the IPCCs SR1.5 issued just before the failed Katowice COP? Drivel. Excoriated. “Give up coal in 12 years”. And I’m one of the nineteen people in the world who have read it

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
December 24, 2023 3:28 am

The state of Wokeachusetts says this state is already about 3.5 deg F above a century ago. Strange, but I don’t see any emergency.

scvblwxq
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 24, 2023 7:16 am

A century ago was just coming out of the Little Ice Age.

Over twenty percent of the land is still frozen.

cgh
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
December 24, 2023 9:50 am

Where did 1.5 come from?”

It was purely arbitrary. Completely made up and as phony as Hans Schnelnhuber’s “tipping points.” It fulfilled a political agenda and nothing else. There was no and is no scientific basis for any of these.

MarkW
Reply to  cgh
December 24, 2023 11:23 am

Back in the 80’s, everybody was concerned that there were millions of hungry children in the US. I don’t remember the exact number. The number originated from the testimony of an activist in front of congress. He was asked how many children were going hungry every day.
He later admitted that he didn’t know, so he just made up a number on the spot.

What is it about left wing activists and their willingness to just make things up?

Richard Greene
Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2023 2:33 pm

You can’t promote leftism by telling the truth

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
December 24, 2023 11:36 am

“Was it because reaching 2.0 was going to take a long time so we need to up the scare?”

I think that is exactly why they came up with 1.5C, instead of the 2C previous supposed tipping point. They pulled the 1.5C figure out of thin air.

taxed
December 24, 2023 1:23 am

Now you can understand why l have such doubts about the Met Offices claims for means temps over the summer which l expressed in a post a few days ago.
They are not to be trusted without question.

strativarius
Reply to  taxed
December 24, 2023 1:39 am

They are not to be trusted; period.

Richard Page
Reply to  strativarius
December 24, 2023 2:00 am

Exactly.

cgh
Reply to  taxed
December 24, 2023 9:57 am

They are in the business of lying. Stephen Schneider explained it all about 15 years ago. None of them are innocent. As participants in the fraud called UNFCCC, all of them are dishonest, as this is all about partisan politics. We must always remind ourselves that IPCC is a political organization that has nothing to do with science.

We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”

Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 1:42 am

I previously recommended this article on my blog’s recommended reading list despite a large error that was not important for the main point of the article.

But I wish conservatives would be more careful when using data that the Climate Howlers can fact check and then completely ignore the main point of the article.

From the article:
“global warming has barely risen by much more than 0.2°C over the last 25 years”

I normally do not like El Nino years as a start point for a trend, but both 1998 and 2023 had strong El Ninos, so that’s okay.

The official surface data say 2023 is +0.44 degrees C. warmer than 1998, not the +0.2 degrees C. stated on the article. That is a large mistake. (Not) “much more” than 0.2 C.” (degrees) was a deception.

1998 to 2023 = 25 years
+0.66 vs.+1.13 = +0.44 degrees C.

DATA SOURCE:
Climate Change: Global Temperature | NOAA Climate.gov

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 1:48 am

+0.47 degrees C.,
not 0.44 degrees C.
It’s 5am
I can’t subtract numbers
My dog ate the papers

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 2:19 am

Now isn’t that just weird. I thought that, since 2023 isn’t actually over yet, we should probably use 1997-2022 as the 25 years. So, with all good intentions, I looked up the global average temperature for 1997 and came across the NCEI/NOAA ‘Annual 1997 Global Climate Report’ which gave the Average Global Temperature for 1997 as 62.45°F. I then checked the global average temperature for 2022 which gave me a figure of 1.55°F over the 57°F average, which I took, not unreasonably, to be 58.55°F.
So, according to what I dug up, we’ve cooled by 3.9°F – apart from the flippin’ obvious (that we are being systematically lied to) what am I missing from this? Either NCEI and NOAA were lying when they produced the annual report for 1997 or they are lying now, hiding the truth behind the ‘anomaly’ smokescreen – or are we, in actual fact, cooling?

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 2:41 am

Dishonest data mining

The warming of +0.14 degrees C. per decade since 1975 has not ended. Data mining can distort the long term trend.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 4:16 am

???
How is this ‘dishonest data mining’ pray tell?
The information was taken from the official NCEI/NOAA annual report on the climate 1997 and the official GAT of 2022 by NOAA – all official, widely published and accepted data.
Now you tell me why they should differ so much when, according to your 0.14°C/decade and building on the official data from NCEI and NOAA from 1997, the 2022 GAT should be 17.3°C/63.1°F or 6.1°F above the 57°F average instead of the published 1.55°F above the 57°F average?
Why, Richard? Why is there such a big discrepancy in the official data sources?

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 4:45 am

Because 30 or more years is climate and you reported a shorter term weather trend, as did the article, which also used awrong number.

The dataset goes back to the beginning of the current global warming trend in 1975 and the +0.14degres per decade is a trend line of 48 years of climate change that appears to still be in progress … but has no value for predicting the next 48 years, IMHO

You get one demerit for data mining and another demerit for trying to defend data mining. That’s two demerits. You have a long way to go to catch up with me, with 748 demerits issued by the wife since 1977, for various real and perceived offenses.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 5:12 am

I am not data mining you buffoon. I want you to tell me why there is a huge discrepancy in the numbers. Look, forget about start dates and end dates, just comment on the difference between what we’re being told now are the ‘correct’ temperatures and what were the official, ‘correct’ temperatures from before 2000.
Why have NCEI/NOAA now got the 1997 GAT at 0.86°F above the 57°F average (57.86°F) when they previously and officially had it at 62.45°F? This is not cooling the far past to make the present warmer, something is seriously wrong if they’re having to ‘disappear’ nearly 5°F less than 30 years ago to maintain the fiction of the 0.14°F warming trend. I’m not data mining to make some strange point, I’m honestly trying to make sense of this.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 8:21 am

You call me a buffoon, then you are a deputy assistant buffoon

The UAH dataset claims a +0.14 degree C. rising trend since 1979 (sorry I typed 1975 previously)

There is no logical reason to present an AVERAGE WEATHER subset of those data, of less than 30 years, which is significantly different than the long term CLIMATE trend

Which you did, and the author did, and he also wrote the wrong number. I’ll trust your numbers even though you now have three demerits.

The only reason justifying data mining the UAH record would be to report there were 8 years with no warming trend from 2015 to mid–2023, as Monckton used to do here. I criticized him for not including a second chart of the WHOLE UAH record and he did that for all his next articles.

You apparently are a slow learner or you just enjoy data mining.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 9:41 am

Richard we appear to be talking at cross purposes. You appear to be firmly fixated on a trend between 1997 and 2022 or 1998 and 2023 whilst I am trying to work out why NOAA have cooled their official global average temperature for 1997 by nearly 5°F? Are you going to answer with something about this question or are you going to continue your tomfoolery and childish ‘demerits’?

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 2:54 pm

NOAA claims the global annual temperature increased at an average rate of 0.08°C (0.14°F) per decade since 1880 and over twice that rate (0.18°C / 0.32°F) since 1981.

NASA-GISS and HadCRUT data get the most attention

What is the global average temperature absolute?

The 2022 surface temperature was 1.55 °F (0.86 °Celsius) warmer than the 20th-century average of 57.0 °F (13.9 °C) and 1.90 ˚F (1.06 ˚C) warmer than the pre-industrial period (1880-1900)

NOAA has NOT cooled their official global average temperature for 1997 by nearly 5°F?

The 62 degrees F. you referenced was for the Summer of 1997, NOT for the whole year.

Yoi get another demerit and a demotion to executive washroom attendent, left side stalls.

In fact, if there are inaccuracies, it is too much warming in the NASA-GISS and NOAA global average temperature trend, when compared with UAH which has much better coverage, far less infilling and trustworthy volunteer scientists compiling the data.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 7:56 pm

If that was the case, that it was just for the summer of 1997, why was it repeatedly referred to as the ‘annual average temperature’, the ‘1997 annual global average temperature’ and ‘1997 global temperature’. Sorry Richard, you’ve lied one too many times with this.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 5:25 am

Are linear trends even worth talking about in a cyclic process?

Richard Greene
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
December 24, 2023 8:22 am

Up pr down is good enough for me

I don’t live in the average climate.

I prefer up over down.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 9:42 am

I had noticed. Your up is down.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 2:55 pm

That’s five demerits Page

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 7:59 pm

I’m sure your wife must love these games of yours but I’m not playing. You can keep your ‘demerits’ and your tomfoolery to yourself.

sherro01
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
December 24, 2023 2:30 pm

Scientifically, no.
Practically, to argue with people with rigid minds, you can do better if you talk their lingo, bad as it is. Geoff S

Drake
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
December 24, 2023 3:09 pm

Only when you cherry pick the start and stop date to suite your purposes.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 4:26 am

1998 was an El Nino year with a temperature anomaly of almost 1 degree. You are comparing with an outlier. Naughty!

Richard Greene
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
December 24, 2023 8:34 am

I was A JUVENILE DELINQUENT AS A CHILD BUT AM NOW TOO OLD TO BE NAUGHTY.

I did not start the comparing of 1998 with 2023.

The author compared 1998 with another year also with a large El Nino — 2023 — which is a fair comparison if you must data mine, which can also a deception.

The author grossly underreported the warming from 1998 to 2023 which was +0.47 degrees C. in the surface data.

The +0.2 degrees C. in the article was an exciting number for Climate Realists to tell all their friends … if it was correct, but it was far from reality.

We conservatives can’t afford to promote BS numbers. Leftists own that job.

Stephen Wilde
December 24, 2023 1:44 am

We already have the media reporting model projections that never happen as if they are real events and they then enter the collective memory as such.
A day to day perception of climate change is thereby falsely inserted into the minds of the populace.
That is witchcraft rather than science with the models in place of runes.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 24, 2023 8:41 am

I demand temperature numbers that are

Infilled
Homogenizes
Pasteurized
Time of day adjusted
Seasonally adjusted
Smoothed
Fried, dyed and laid to the side
Aged in a wood barrel for ten years

and finally

Adjusted with a FUDGE FACTOR
needed to get to the number
that the boss wanted to see
in the first place
before all the calculations.

It would be cheaper to use a cofuser game (computer model) random number generator

Although I’d recommend hiring a pretty female model to pick a number out of a hat.

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 10:27 am

I bet even those numbers would display a gradual temperature increase when run through Climate Model AlGorithims

john cheshire
December 24, 2023 2:13 am

Is it true that Neil Ferguson’s BSE and Pandemic models will be adapted for this purpose. Or did the University of East Anglia get the job?

Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 2:32 am

This great Dilbert cartoon explains the recommended MET process for the global average ocean temperature, which no one cares about except some fish, and they can always swim away from the equator if the water is too hot:

Dilbert is at this URL if it doesn’t show up below:

The Honest Climate Science and Energy Blog: New ocean temperature measurement methodology

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEiTyFH8ORacnk3865NK5dYIqnu45WoO_cL4B_ej0xL5a0OLfoB5OUMsSycaamYOg4Dv3IrrJbmJUn_-sWMNnMcPTCAnPfPE4SOi97gil0GGf6YSb2nPvQ8aotZIN7AgmtAOzEBFfagJaPiYQb4Y3VaSfqgfnE05od8tF4BMbdYAvMIf1o_QIgrW1c6e4KVz

taxed
December 24, 2023 2:33 am

Currently the BBC weather are claiming that there is near record high warmth for Chirstmas Eve.
So l want online to Zoom Earth to check the current temps in my local area and they were claiming they are at 14C. That looked rather high to me for mid-morning.
So l got my manual therometer out and put it out on the north facing window sill of a unheated room over the last half hour, and guess what! its only showing the temp to be 12.6C.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  taxed
December 24, 2023 3:33 am

The BBC have noted your objection and have issued a response:

Richard Page
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
December 24, 2023 8:03 pm

Maryam Moshiri may well be looking for alternative employment in the New Year…

Krishna Gans
Reply to  taxed
December 24, 2023 3:34 am

Germany has places with temps around 10-12°C today.

taxed
Reply to  Krishna Gans
December 24, 2023 4:11 am

Krishna Gans
l don’t doubt that its mild for the time of year, l just doubt that its as warm as the BBC weather claims it to be. While my therometer has shown l was correct to have doubts about their claims.

Krishna Gans
Reply to  taxed
December 24, 2023 5:07 am

That’s why it’s a bit warmer:

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TheFinalNail
Reply to  Krishna Gans
December 24, 2023 6:55 am

According to the Central England Temperature (CET) data, 2023 is shaping up to be the second warmest year on record which starts in 1659. It’s just behind the current record warmest year, 2022.

scvblwxq
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 24, 2023 7:23 am

The Earth is still in a 2.56 million-year ice age named the Quaternary Glaciation, in a warmer but still cold interglacial period that alternates with very cold glacial periods. Twenty percent of the land is still frozen either as permafrost or underneath glaciers.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  scvblwxq
December 24, 2023 2:23 pm

Good to know.

Scissor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 24, 2023 7:34 am

Every asshole needs but a single thermometer.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Scissor
December 24, 2023 6:05 pm

Any need to resort to this sort of language? Honestly.

Richard Greene
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 24, 2023 7:53 am

The global warming since the 1600s, especially the cold 1690s, should be celebrated in Central England.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 2:24 pm

Hurray!

Dave Andrews
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 24, 2023 8:39 am

“In the context of the last few centuries the summer of 2022 in Central England/ England and Wales was hot and dry. But it was not exceptionally so. The summer of 1976 and 1995 were both substantially hotter and drier”

https://mikehulme.org/the-2022-uk-summer-in-long-term-perspective/

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Dave Andrews
December 24, 2023 2:26 pm

The ‘summers’…. When it comes to annual average temperatures, later is warmer.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  taxed
December 24, 2023 4:23 am

Same experience. This year’s summer my own thermometer read over 3 degrees centigrade less than their predicted ‘heat wave’. and ‘hottest day ever’.

Richard Page
Reply to  taxed
December 24, 2023 6:23 am

We are being systematically lied to in order to protect their precious warming trend. I am slowly coming round to the idea that we aren’t warming at all but are, in fact, cooling and have been for a few years now. If that’s the case then the cooling is likely to increase and this modern ‘hide the decline’ is going to backfire badly but how many will die in the meantime because we didn’t know to prepare?

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 7:23 am

Don’t Look Up at your thermometers

scvblwxq
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 7:28 am

The Sun has entered a Grand Solar Minimum and NOAA is predicting the Sunspot Number, which reflects solar output, to start dropping in 2025 and continue dropping until it reaches zero in 2040 when their forecast ends.
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/predicted-sunspot-number-and-radio-flux

Writing Observer
Reply to  scvblwxq
December 24, 2023 1:09 pm

Upvoted you again. You provided a legitimate link, and honestly reported what it says.

I’m going to assume that the down voters didn’t go there, just said “Ridiculous!” and moved on.

It is ridiculous – even more ridiculous than any of the other “forecasts” that I’ve seen coming out of NOAA.

Unless the next scam is “All of this nasty CO2 is going to extinguish the fires of the Sun! Panic harder! We need to fund the biggest Zippo lighter ever!”

Richard Page
Reply to  Writing Observer
December 24, 2023 8:06 pm

No, the downvoters reacted this way because he does this on every article he can find and most us have read the exact same post of his over a dozen times already. Even a bot would vary it a bit.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 7:28 am

I am slowly coming round to the idea that we aren’t warming at all but are, in fact, cooling and have been for a few years now.

Is that just like a feeling you’ve got? Every global data set we have, surface or satellite, land or ocean, is setting new monthly warmest records right now and has been for months. December will also set new warmest records globally.

Take a look at the UAH chart on the side panel here at WUWT. Does that look like it’s been cooling in recent years?

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 24, 2023 8:29 am

And I’m thankful for that. We have a long way to go to get to more optimum temps and the higher and better atmospheric co2 level that is driven by that higher temp,

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 24, 2023 8:44 am

I went all the way back to the official NCEI/NOAA ‘Annual 1997 Report on the Climate’ which gave the Global Average Temperature for 1997 as 62.45°F. Then I checked the NOAA website which is regularly updated and found they had the Global Average Temperature for 1997 as 0.86°F over the 57°F mean average. That means that NOAA, since publishing the official 1997 Annual Climate Report, have cooled the official temperature by a little over four and a half degrees. Why would they do that, I wondered? Surely they aren’t trying to tell us that the thermometers of 1997 were primitive, incredibly inaccurate ones that belong in a museum not in service? Then it occurred to me that this might be the only way to preserve the 0.14°F warming trend they’ve been trumpeting for the last couple of decades in a cooling trend. Why else would they need such a massive ‘adjustment’ to the temperature record just 26 years ago? Why else?
Richard Greene wouldn’t answer any of those questions when I asked earlier, in fact he did his best to avoid them entirely so I’d probably have to ask him what he’s been drinking? Been swilling the kool-aid, have we, Richard?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 2:30 pm

Did you look at the UAH data? You seem to be avoiding any mention if it. Are the satellite instruments also affected by a spurious warming,

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 24, 2023 8:12 pm

I didn’t look at any datasets at all, I simply found two differing figures for the same 1997 GAT in an official NOAA/NCEI report and on their website and I don’t think this was an error, misprint or typo. I think that sometime between then and now, NOAA have adjusted the 1997 temperature downwards by nearly 5°F.
I just wanted to know why they would do that within a 26 year timeframe?

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 3:03 pm

If the NOAA website claims the absolute global average temperature was 62.45 degrees F. and that was not the average summer temperature in 1997, then they were obviously wrong. I’m sure it is not the first error in a NOAA document.

You are hanging onto this error like a junkyard dog with a bone. Give it up or you will have to be sedated.

Have a peaceful Christmas day anyway and don’t let my trash talking bother you. Al Gore invented the internet for trash talking.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 5:55 pm

I haven’t even mentioned NOAA; you did that all by yourself.

What you are failing to address is that UAH, the WUWT poster-child of climate data sets, says more or less exactly the same thing as all the surface data sets.

Statistically significant and on-going global warming.

What say ye to that, RG?

Richard Greene
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 7:59 am

“I am slowly coming round to the idea that we aren’t warming at all but are, in fact, cooling and have been for a few years now.”

What are you drinking?

The last six months of 2023 will be the warmest six months in 5000 years, globally, based on the best record available.

Please no climate predictions — we already have enough of them from leftists. Always scary. Always wrong.

Colder is bad news
At least predict warmer if you have to predict anything.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 11:33 am

What are you drinking?
We are currently warmer than the Medieval, Roman, Egyptian and Minoan warm periods? Not according to any data set I’ve ever seen?

Richard Greene
Reply to  MarkW
December 24, 2023 3:12 pm

We are almost certainly warmer in the last six months of 2023 and probably warmer for the past 10 years.

Local proxy climate reconstructions have large margins of errors. They also have lower variations when averaged to create a fake global average.

The reconstructions claim the prior warming periods, after the Holocene Climate Optimum ended 5000 years ago, were about +0.5 degrees warmer than the past 10 years. That claim is statistically insignificant and proves nothing.

THERE IS ALSO NO DEFINITIVE PROOF THOSE WARMING PERIODS WERE COEPLETELY GLOBAL

I do not believe in global conclusions based on inaccurate, questionable local proxy data.

sherro01
Reply to  Richard Page
December 24, 2023 2:36 pm

Richard Page,
I monitor Australian temperatures for signs that our warming is ceasing. Geoff S
https://www.geoffstuff.com/uahdec2023. jpg

sherro01
Reply to  sherro01
December 24, 2023 2:38 pm

Happens every time! Who inserted a space?
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TheFinalNail
Reply to  sherro01
December 24, 2023 5:51 pm

Every time this Australia UAH chart gets pushed here it has a new start date.

A couple of months ago it started in March 2012; but I guess we’ve moved on.

Bryan A
Reply to  taxed
December 24, 2023 7:20 am

So what does it say if you put it outside?
If heat pumps struggle to maintain 12.6°C inside I think I’d rather have Gas Central Heat

taxed
Reply to  Bryan A
December 24, 2023 9:54 am

l did put the therometer on the outside window sill so l could see the outdoor temp from inside the room. The heating was off in the room as it was in use at the time and the weather was mild.

taxed
Reply to  taxed
December 24, 2023 9:56 am

sorry ” as the rooom was not in use at the time”

Alpha
December 24, 2023 3:29 am

Their normal is around 1880! Europe was an ice cube.

This is the time Monet painted ‘Breakup of ice Grey Weatherdepicting thick ice flows on the river Seine just west of Paris.

Americans remember it as the 'Long/Hard Winter.

Is this their target climate? maybe we should bring back Cholera and Typhoid just for good measure.

My fridge is warmer now than it was back then!

Monet_Breakup-of-Ice-Grey-Weather-1880.jpg
George B
Reply to  Alpha
December 24, 2023 5:35 am

Just check on the Mississippi River at Vicksburg in February 1899.
No river traffic. The temperature had dropped to 10 degrees below zero, some of the lowest in Vicksburg’s recorded history. Photo from the Old Court House Museum Collection

Similar thing happened in 1951

Ice-on-the-Mississippi-1536x877.png
Tom Halla
December 24, 2023 4:53 am

Tony Heller does get rather heavy breathing on his reporting of the cooking of temperature “records”, but he is essentially right.

bobpjones
December 24, 2023 5:06 am

So does the Met Office have it’s HQ, at Stradivarius House?

Paul Hurley
December 24, 2023 5:48 am

At least they’ve acknowledged the real-world data doesn’t match their computer-game guesses.

morfu03
December 24, 2023 6:25 am

Betts ids one of a group of eight names successfully censoring a peer reviewed and published article by Alimonti et al. earlier this year, circumventing the scientific process like it was done by the catholic church in the middle age:
The names of these people are:
Greg Holland, Lisa Alexander, Steve Sherwood, Michael Mann, Richard Betts, Friederike Otto, Stefan Rahmstorf and Peter Cox

Details of the story can be found here:
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/think-of-the-implications-of-publishing
If a story like that was made up in a novel I would discard that book as far stretched outer worldly trash, especially given that at least three of those names should tippie toe very carefully IMHO when it comes to scientific achievements and ethics. Oh, they won the prices, but did they deserve any of them?

ToldYouSo
December 24, 2023 7:53 am

UK Met Office future plans appear to have been lifted directly out of the pages of George Orwell’s* book 1984.

In that book, the totalitarian regime of Oceania is able to manipulate their citizens into believing anything, which gives the regime as much power as they could possibly want. Substitute “UK Met Office” for “Oceania”, and there you go.

*N.B.: Eric Arthur Blair was an English novelist, essayist, journalist, and critic who wrote under the name George Orwell.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  ToldYouSo
December 24, 2023 5:58 pm

In that book, the totalitarian regime of Oceania is able to manipulate their citizens into believing anything, which gives the regime as much power as they could possibly want. 

Right here we have a website that convinces people to disbelieve the evidence of their own experiences.

Who’s being fooled here, exactly?

Shoki
December 24, 2023 8:15 am

Good move for the Met Office. No more bending themselves into a pretzel to fit the agenda. Just fill in the numbers they need.

Pat from Kerbob
December 24, 2023 8:23 am

Decision based evidence making at its best, continues apace.
Fraud on top of fraud

Ex-KaliforniaKook
December 24, 2023 8:40 am

Do I understand they feel have to do this because they’re not sure real temperatures will show a rise of 1.5 degrees C?

Richard Greene
December 24, 2023 8:51 am

Anyone who thinks warming is bad news for the UK and that heat pumps are a good idea for the UK is a lunatic. That appears to include much of the UK government. Lunatics running the asylum

Here in the good old USA we have Pres. Joe Bribe’em and VP Kamala “word salad” Harris.

After many years of study of every subject in the encyclopedia, they both have reached the ultimate leftist goals:

Great political power despite knowing nothing about everything.

Editor
December 24, 2023 11:49 am

Why start in 18 – 0 – whenever it is that they start. Start in 1685 and we’re way past 1.5C already.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Mike Jonas
December 24, 2023 5:31 pm

Because 1850 is as far as we can go back with reasonable global temperature estimates based on instruments.

karlomonte
Reply to  TheFinalNail
December 24, 2023 8:23 pm

Liar.

KevinM
December 24, 2023 1:03 pm

“ The Met Office undoubtedly hopes that it can point to the passing of the 1.5°C ‘guard-rail’ in short order. ”

I doubt it

TheFinalNail
Reply to  KevinM
December 24, 2023 5:34 pm

I think the UKMO use Hadcrut5 1850-1900 as their anomaly base for the 1.5C. If so, then on monthly records anyway, it has already been surpassed a few times this year.

Bob
December 24, 2023 3:00 pm

Very nice report, clear and understandable.

We need to put a stop to all of this madness. I have said in the past that I can’t wait for the time when the CAGW clowns have to face up to the fact that we have surpassed 1.5C since preindustrial times. Apparently we have done it numerous times and for quite a while. I also knew they would show no humility but rather double down and move the goal posts,

Well it’s happening and it is past time for us to do something about it. We can no longer sit passively on the sidelines and let them control the terms and narrative. They are liars and cheats and we need to let the whole world know. Especially those scoundrels.

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