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exactly- every change for whatever reason (geologic, the sun, volcanoes, whatever) will cause more changes
like evolution- a new species arises and it effects everything else in its ecosystem- the system adjusts, it doesn’t collapse
then come naked apes- they change things- the system adjusts- it doesn’t collapse- there is no fuc*ing emergency- ticks me off living here in Wokeachusetts!
Climate change is a new source of power, more powerful than coal, oil or nuclear. It is more effective than old-fashioned ‘tyranny’ in allowing politicians to have complete control over people, against their free will. Because they don’t have to use spears, arrows or bullets to dominate the people. They only have to say those powerful words ‘due to climate change’.
And sea ice volume is much higher than the 1980s!
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nice chart and informative!
Octopuses help solve a long-standing mystery of West Antarctica demise
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/12/21/octopus-dna-antarctica-ice/
(It’s pay-walled so I’m posting all of it- not because I agree- but it’s another example of climate scientists trying too hard?)
If all of the ice covering western Antarctica today melted, global sea level would rise 4 to 5 meters higher, causing major flooding and issues for communities worldwide. It’s a worrying scenario, but it’s happened before. Just ask an octopus.
Turquet’s octopuses, a species of cephalopod found in the Southern Ocean, were able to move around a melted West Antarctic Ice Sheet as recently as 125,000 years ago, according to new research published Thursday in the journal Science. That timing is key, because it’s also the last time temperatures on Earth matched today’s exceptional heat. It could suggest another ice-free period in the region may be nigh, signaling a coming collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.
“The findings are concerning as they provide very strong evidence that [the] West Antarctic Ice Sheet becomes unstable and collapses when global temperatures warm by more than 1.5C above preindustrial and if that warming is sustained,” Tim Naish, a co-author of the new study, said in an email.
“The world is on track to pass the 1.5C climate target in the next five years” due to warming from greenhouse gas emissions, added Naish, a paleoclimatologist at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand.
The West Antarctic Ice Sheet has collapsed multiple times during past warm periods in Earth’s history. Those warm periods were caused by normal variations in Earth’s orbit, which altered the amount of sunlight hitting the planet over tens of thousands of years, unlike today’s human-induced global warming.
Some records indicate the ice sheet naturally collapsed sometime in the past 1 million years, but scientists lacked evidence to better pinpoint the time. Now, octopuses would be their clock.
Turquet’s octopuses may not be the most charismatic animals on the continent, but the small seafloor-dwelling creatures have inhabited the region for millions of years. Individuals only live for a handful of years, but their DNA is a time capsule of the lives of their ancestors.
Like performing a 23andMe test on a human, the team analyzed genetic material from nearly 100 octopuses from the Southern Ocean preserved in museums and for research. Some samples were decades old and degraded, but new genetic sequencing technology allowed the team to analyze the genomic data in higher resolution than ever before.
The findings were surprising. Octopuses located thousands of miles apart around the continent — in the Weddell, Amundsen and Ross seas — were genetically similar. Today, the ice sheet physically separates those seas. Given that Antarctic octopuses don’t travel much, it’s unlikely they trekked around the continent. So, how did the species branch out to such distances?
Using the same types of models to test past human migration patterns, the team simulated different scenarios to figure out the octopuses’ historical voyages. They ran hundreds of thousands of variations under scenarios in which the ice sheet was completely intact, partially collapsed and completely collapsed.
One path stood out: The octopuses traveled in direct routes between the seas after the western ice sheet fully melted, opening up gaps in the rocks between the regions.
The octopuses “found pathways [in the sea] for them to migrate” over generations, said Sally Lau, lead author of the study and a biologist at James Cook University. “When they migrate, they interbreed with each other, and [genes flow] from one population to the other population.”
Scientists worry the Last Interglacial period could be an indicator of what’s to come for today’s Earth. Today’s global temperatures are already about 1.2 degrees Celsius above the preindustrial average. Without any foreseeable technological solution to remove carbon from our atmosphere, Naish said we are “dangerously close to triggering collapse of the Antarctic Ice Sheet,” which would continue to raise global sea levels for centuries.
“We are certain that if we keep the amount of warming at the level we are experiencing right now, sea level will ultimately reach that level” seen during the Last Interglacial, said Tina van de Flierdt, a paleoclimate researcher at Imperial College London who was not involved in the study. “What we do not know is how fast this will happen.”
Sea levels are already projected to increase 30 centimeters by the end of this century, but van de Flierdt said the rise could be as high as 1 or 2 meters if the West Antarctic Ice Sheet collapses at 1.5 or 2 degrees of warming — as the study suggests.
I saw four or five articles written yesterday on this same subject.
There are a lot of alarmist climate change parrots out there. And the reason is they get paid to be climate alarmist parrots.
This is a ridiculous study. It would take thousands of years for the ice to melt. And they are just pulling that 1.5C figure out of thin air, just like the original climate alarmists pulled it out of thin air. They are seeing what they want/expect to see.
“The West Antarctic Ice Sheet has collapsed multiple times during past warm periods in Earth’s history. Those warm periods were caused by normal variations in Earth’s orbit, which altered the amount of sunlight hitting the planet over tens of thousands of years”
Apart from the fact that the paper appears to be circular logic, in that the model doesn’t allow a marine creature to find its way through the water that always exists around the edge of an ice sheet, it says that the ice sheet has collapsed multiple times before for exactly the reasons that we are in an inter-glacial now.
Woopy doo.
December 22, 2023 11:14 am
STORY TIP:
Guidance will ‘stunt the growth of a critical industry before it has even begun,’
December 22, 2023 11:39 am
Bret Weinstein was interviewed recently on the Rubin Report : titled “my final warning” he just came out and said it about the climate change narrative “ it’s complete bullshit” and between the wokeness and corruption and rent seekers and no moral compass and surveillance technology-Well he said we are screwed. We have to stop this, this is not a thing that is going to simply fade away like a “ fad” It is a thing way bigger and worse than that.
Is it because all his liberal friends now hate all those evil J@ws who are going all gen@cide on those sweet H@m@s musl!ms (99% in G@za), so he no longer feels he must support their other religion?
Of course I am stereotyping his religion based on his name. But having believed the CAGW BS in the past, I can assume he is a liberal.
That leaves out the extremely large number of Muslims that are NOT Semitic at all. And being cautious about ANY Muslim is simply intelligent – it is an ideology that is not in the least compatible with civilized values.
In the wider world, too, the “anti-Semitism” is actually a hatred of Judaism, whether they are Hebrew descended or not. In the area that the Romans named “Palestine,” it is an ancient hatred of the Hebrew tribes by the other Semitic tribes. Has very little to do with actual religious beliefs; the Koran simply wrote those down.
There has been a remarkable change amongst some “intellectuals” that frankly I have to admit I stereotyped. Bret and Eric have actually seen the light ( yes even got demonetized to some extent- a badge of honor in my view) Amazing, I will pull back a little on my Harvard grad bashing ( I used to have respect for Ivy League in old days was a group to discuss cutting edge thought science and technology with ;then we’ll, we know what happened.
December 22, 2023 2:25 pm
In addition, we can see how much the “threat” of climate change is altering fossil fuel use worldwide by considering these figures. The IEA admits that coal consumption increased more than 1.5% globally during the first half of 2023, while the US Energy Information Administration claims oil use is on track to hit 101 million barrels/day this year, another record. As well, the S&P Global Commodities Insights estimates the US is on track to produce enough oil daily to represent a 154% increase over 2005 levels. So we can see it’s only the alarmists getting excited about the “climate crisis”; the rest of us are going about our business in the most convenient and efficient ways as possible; i.e., utilizing the resources that work, not just pipe dreams.
December 22, 2023 2:42 pm
“I’m loving the Colorado overreach. The decision will be reversed. Trump’s poll numbers will go up. But best of all, this gives you permission to assume the 2020 election was rigged — without proof — because “stop Trump at any cost” is evident in this decision.”
Scott Adams – Blame Orange Man for everything is evident.
The U.S. Supreme Court will overturn the ruling of the Colorado Supreme Court. Otherwise, there will be chaos.
Republicans in some States are already making moves to remove Joe Biden from their State’s ballot, so the U.S. Supreme Court needs to strke down the Colorado ruling, otherwise there will be civil war of one form or another.
